From ehs at pobox.com Mon Aug 15 10:19:04 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Mon Aug 15 10:22:04 2005 Subject: [gcs-pcs-list] COinS as a microformat Message-ID: <4A103FC3-D355-4CA4-B2AB-E8D7D0C7FFCB@pobox.com> There's been a bit of discussion [1] over on microformats-discuss about citation formats. The end result is an emerging wiki page [2] for brainstorming citation data as a microformat. The microformat philosophy [3] tends to favor practices that use semantic XHTML markup and so Brian Suda (the guy who created the wiki) is favoring translating BibTeX into a collection of
or elements with meaningful class names like "author", "title" and the like. So the following BibTeX: @article{ XAi_HSCheng_1994a, author = "X. Ai and H. S. Cheng", title = "Influence of moving dent on point {EHL} contacts", journal = "Tribol. Trans.", volume = "37", year = "1994", pages = "323--335", } would become:
X. Ai and H. S. Cheng
Influence of moving dent on point {EHL} contacts
Tribol. Trans.
37
1994
323--335
I can totally see why this group would favor this approach, but I'd still like to see people at least consider using COinS...and am not sure how I convince them to replace this nice markup with a strange looking partial URL with & instead of & :-) If you have any ideas on how to be more persuasive about this let me know, or consider joining the microformats-discuss list where this is currently being hashed out. //Ed [1] http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005- August/000644.html [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-formats [3] http://microformats.org/about/ From yee at uclink.berkeley.edu Wed Aug 17 11:40:39 2005 From: yee at uclink.berkeley.edu (Raymond Yee) Date: Wed Aug 17 11:40:49 2005 Subject: [gcs-pcs-list] COinS as a microformat In-Reply-To: <4A103FC3-D355-4CA4-B2AB-E8D7D0C7FFCB@pobox.com> References: <4A103FC3-D355-4CA4-B2AB-E8D7D0C7FFCB@pobox.com> Message-ID: <43035A77.1050600@uclink.berkeley.edu> We *might* be persuasive if we can point out the advantages of COinS over a BibTeX-derived microformat. So, what exactly are the advantages of COinS? Can we articulate those advantages in an easy to understand way? I can understand how OpenURLs are better known in the library/publishers community in the same way that BibTeX is more likely to be known by folks pulling together microformats. -Raymond Edward Summers wrote: > There's been a bit of discussion [1] over on microformats-discuss > about citation formats. The end result is an emerging wiki page [2] > for brainstorming citation data as a microformat. > > The microformat philosophy [3] tends to favor practices that use > semantic XHTML markup and so Brian Suda (the guy who created the > wiki) is favoring translating BibTeX into a collection of
or > elements with meaningful class names like "author", "title" > and the like. So the following BibTeX: > > @article{ XAi_HSCheng_1994a, > author = "X. Ai and H. S. Cheng", > title = "Influence of moving dent on point {EHL} contacts", > journal = "Tribol. Trans.", > volume = "37", > year = "1994", > pages = "323--335", > } > > would become: > >
>
X. Ai and H. S. Cheng
>
Influence of moving dent on point {EHL} > contacts
>
Tribol. Trans.
>
37
>
1994
>
323--335
>
> > I can totally see why this group would favor this approach, but I'd > still like to see people at least consider using COinS...and am not > sure how I convince them to replace this nice markup with a strange > looking partial URL with & instead of & :-) > > If you have any ideas on how to be more persuasive about this let me > know, or consider joining the microformats-discuss list where this is > currently being hashed out. > > //Ed > > [1] http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005- > August/000644.html > [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-formats > [3] http://microformats.org/about/ > _______________________________________________ > gcs-pcs-list mailing list > gcs-pcs-list@cipolo.med.yale.edu > http://cipolo.med.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/gcs-pcs-list -- -- Raymond Yee 2195 Hearst (250-22) Technology Architect UC Berkeley Interactive University Project Berkeley, CA 94720-3810 yee@uclink.berkeley.edu 510-642-0476 (work) http://iu.berkeley.edu/rdhyee 413-541-5683 (fax) From ehs at pobox.com Wed Aug 17 23:19:05 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers) Date: Wed Aug 17 23:19:11 2005 Subject: [gcs-pcs-list] COinS as a microformat In-Reply-To: <43035A77.1050600@uclink.berkeley.edu> References: <4A103FC3-D355-4CA4-B2AB-E8D7D0C7FFCB@pobox.com> <43035A77.1050600@uclink.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <69863BA3-6467-4B60-8B72-6FB976E7BACA@pobox.com> On Aug 17, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Raymond Yee wrote: > We *might* be persuasive if we can point out the advantages of > COinS over a BibTeX-derived microformat. So, what exactly are the > advantages of COinS? Can we articulate those advantages in an easy > to understand way? I can understand how OpenURLs are better > known in the library/publishers community in the same way that > BibTeX is more likely to be known by folks pulling together > microformats. I guess the advantage to using an openurl derived syntax are the deployed systems that actually use openurl...but you knew that already :-) What are the most convincing applications of OpenURL other than SFX and the crossref resolver and Peter's WordPress plugin? I got talking with Dan about this over in #code4lib this morning and he suggested a possible middle ground might be using openurl KEVs with semantic XHTML. I'm kind of green but I updated the wiki [1] anyhow. Any suggestions/edits to bolster our case would be appreciated. //Ed [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-formats#OpenURL